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hello everyone

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and welcome to the show as you can see

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i'm not on

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uh this time and we kind of crashed two

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weeks in a row so

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it was not a good idea after all so i

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did

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uh you know a little behind the scenes

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um i did uh

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rent i have a year commitment on a

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studio that i'll be using

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um from now on so you can rely

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on the shows without the internet going

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out and other

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hopefully no other catastrophes

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happening during the show

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so this is this is a fun uh this could

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be a fun show it's a two-part show so

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if you're watching live in youtube

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after this hour is over you're going to

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have to jump over to another stream

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for right now we have paul askoff on and

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he have is a long time

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uk ufo researcher been at a long time

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and he has uh

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he has a book out and he's going to be

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talking about that and also his

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thoughts on the ufo topic and what they

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possibly are and all that

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uh it's always interesting to hear from

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different people

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and i like speaking to people over over

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the other side of the pond

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about this i heard that this year over

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there they actually have clear weather

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i had a listener write me the other day

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and said

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it's been crystal clear over here we can

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finally see ufos if they happen to fly

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and so anyway it's been nice weather

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where i am in the east coast of the

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united states it's been kind of this

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very strange summer

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this morning i was driving through new

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and i noticed some trees turning

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color fall color uh

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i i had to stop and and take a picture i

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just couldn't believe it was this early

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and uh someone that i know said they saw

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halloween candy in a store

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already so i don't know what's going on

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seems to be some type of time slip or

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something happening i'm not sure

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but anyway uh i want to thank everyone

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that supports the show

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this uh this week's uh

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blog that we have from charles lear is

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ufos and esoterism so again this is part

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in right now

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paul welcome to the show good evening

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and thank you for having me martin

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you bet now you are it's it's late there

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isn't it

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is it like uh 11 o'clock or something

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what time is it over there

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yeah it's just after 11 o'clock in

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evening

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11 pm well thank you for uh staying up

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uh to share your uh your stories with us

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uh so paul why don't you give for

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someone that

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has never heard anything about you why

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don't you tell your background and

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what actually got you interested in ufos

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and then we can go from there

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okay um essentially i have just retired

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however i was also in the military for

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and different groups before a british

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ufo research association

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and i think it says you mature as i've

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got older than i have now got more time

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to put into this to research and

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obviously to write the book um

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now i first got into ufos purely

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by chance not interested not in the

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my father just moved us to the edge of a

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and i was 11 years old and i can

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we'd moved to the edge of the village

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our last job myself and my brother

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our last job of the day was to take our

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dog and the neighbor's dog for a walk

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and it was just becoming dusk the major

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constellations were out and my father

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actually pointing up in the sky

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anything he did have a telescope

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but it was one of these guys that when

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he had an interested he wanted to even

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evolve you know involve his children so

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the three of us were actually looking

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at the first stars coming out and all of

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quickly and they were like

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almost in a b formation uh

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so you could see nothing joining them

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boom they were still as that happened

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i got to know what i can only describe

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because that's how i felt uh friendly

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masculine voice quite clearly in my head

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that said or gave the impression oops

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we weren't meant to have come out of the

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cloud we weren't meant to have been seen

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while they were still they were

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actually see it reflected on the surface

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there was no apparent rotation no noise

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changed was as they moved there was the

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atmosphere around it almost all they did

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and that shape was at the back as they

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and we had them in sight until they

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a coal-fired power station in the

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so maybe only in sight for a minute a

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and we were all three completely silent

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mouths are gape as you can imagine

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and my father was the first to speak and

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he just said

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well there's nothing that we have that

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it was so bizarre it was so

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odd and for once in a better term it was

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so obviously

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alien there was nothing we have any

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it was obvious it was alien and from

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why he wasn't in the news why he wasn't

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in why wasn't it in the newspapers

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and that was when i mean in those days

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there was no internet or anything

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so that was a case of getting on the

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local transport to the larger cities

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to try and even find a book on ufos

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small library but they certainly didn't

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stock any books

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about anything esoteric anything

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paranormal or anything certainly nothing

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so you have to go out there and order

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reading and reading

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from that age onwards and that's how i

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wow yeah if there's one thing to

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convince someone

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it's having their own sighting like that

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yeah did anyone else in that group um

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get that message that or that you got or

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the only one that heard anything

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and it was as as plain as you're talking

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to me now martin

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quite clear in my head but it was

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directly in my head

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ah wow it's like you can't explain it

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like i can't explain how i thought it

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was a friendly masculine voice

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but that was the impression that i got

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so that were you to me a young

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a young kid i would think that that

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would really scare

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actually

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hear that and see something at the same

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time

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how did that affect you well that's the

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the other side of the coin was i wasn't

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scared in the slightest

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it fired this interest if you like

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where i i wanted to know the physics

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behind it the notes and bolts

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and i'm not a physicist i'm not a

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scientist i'm not even an engineer

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a frustrated engineer maybe but

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it was just i wanted to know how can

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something

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like that i mean there was no

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acceleration it was moving extremely

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quickly

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more stationary end of story uh

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and its appearance as well

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and what about your the the other person

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that was with you

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did that person also have an interest in

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the topic

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after and what about your dad my father

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my dad then went off and he the first

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book he bought

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was the eric von danican chariots of the

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gods

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oh maybe not such a great choice but i

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mean it's still a very interesting book

289
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yes so i mean that was good because

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he tried to get all of his books as they

291
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came out

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it gave me some extra reading material

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as well

294
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yeah yeah now the thing was uh

295
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as time went on uh i mean i was 12 then

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13

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and 14 and as a teenager you tend not to

298
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discuss things as much with your parents

299
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he's part of the growing up thing you

300
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know and so

301
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i tended to keep myself to myself and my

302
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parents i didn't

303
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my father worked shifts and i i started

304
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work early as a nursing cadet

305
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and so we didn't actually see that much

306
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of each other

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so my parents really weren't involved

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with uh

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or even knew that i was that much into

310
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ufos and that much into reading that

311
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yeah yeah um and so

312
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so let's let's hear well first of all

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why don't you pick up your book show

314
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your book

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and because i want to ask you about your

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book and and sure

317
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oh there it is right there it's called

318
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ufos the real story so that's what i

319
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want to know the real story so let's

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hear

321
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the real story okay

322
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well this is where it starts to get

323
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complicated

324
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okay if you imagine i'll the the thing

325
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i've tried to do in the book

326
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is to put it in layman's language

327
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because what we do get and i'm not

328
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taking anything away from some fantastic

329
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authors that are out there and

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investigators and people that have done

331
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a lot of

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serious research and good work however

333
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you tend to get people that just have

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one piece of the puzzle

335
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or one piece of the pie or the pizza as

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it were

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because you tend to get people that will

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do

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ufos in an area or the pascagoula

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society with calvin parker and

341
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charlie hickson or the roswell incident

342
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or the belgian ufo wave

343
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uh socorro saucer and lonnie zamora and

344
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you tend to get these

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specific uh things like rendersham

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forest there's another one

347
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and instead of looking at the whole

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picture

349
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where i believe that um if you look at

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the bigger picture

351
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you're looking at that you have to look

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at the paranormal

353
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you have to look at cryptids you know

354
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sasquatch bigfoot you have to look at

355
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mothman the dogman

356
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all these other things at the same time

357
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because

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they do all connect and what i've tried

359
00:14:20,710 --> 00:14:16,880
to do

360
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is write something in layman's language

361
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that just puts out the basics for people

362
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that they can just pick up

363
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and digest it they can understand it

364
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because if i believe that if you look

365
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start getting too

366
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deep into the scientific terminology and

367
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trying to explain things

368
00:14:42,150 --> 00:14:38,959
then it becomes difficult for the reader

369
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who wants to pick up a book and learn

370
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if he picks up a book and he has to

371
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think about it or she happens has to

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think about it

373
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then they have to concentrate and it

374
00:14:52,629 --> 00:14:50,880
becomes more difficult

375
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and then they just put the book down of

376
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their i'll come back to that in a minute

377
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when i

378
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i tried to

379
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do was write something that encompasses

380
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the whole field

381
00:15:09,350 --> 00:15:06,399
in layman's language right

382
00:15:10,949 --> 00:15:09,360
would you like me to start how i explain

383
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it

384
00:15:15,590 --> 00:15:13,120
well sure but i'm i i think this is

385
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something that's actually really needed

386
00:15:18,870 --> 00:15:17,760
because i will tell you as i i've said

387
00:15:21,670 --> 00:15:18,880
many times in the show

388
00:15:23,829 --> 00:15:21,680
that i'm constantly getting um new

389
00:15:26,389 --> 00:15:23,839
listeners because there are new

390
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there are new people interested in this

391
00:15:30,069 --> 00:15:27,279
field

392
00:15:31,110 --> 00:15:30,079
for the first time because of the media

393
00:15:33,990 --> 00:15:31,120
i'm going to be talking to

394
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our second guest about the media uh he's

395
00:15:37,749 --> 00:15:35,440
not really that happy with

396
00:15:39,110 --> 00:15:37,759
the media as far as this topic goes but

397
00:15:42,790 --> 00:15:39,120
anyway

398
00:15:44,069 --> 00:15:42,800
there are so many people that uh

399
00:15:45,509 --> 00:15:44,079
you know a lot of people will write me

400
00:15:46,310 --> 00:15:45,519
and say well where's the best place for

401
00:15:49,030 --> 00:15:46,320
me to start

402
00:15:49,749 --> 00:15:49,040
you know that that type of thing and and

403
00:15:51,509 --> 00:15:49,759
you know one of

404
00:15:53,030 --> 00:15:51,519
i always caution people about what

405
00:15:55,430 --> 00:15:53,040
they're watching on youtube

406
00:15:56,870 --> 00:15:55,440
because there's so many you know cgi and

407
00:15:58,629 --> 00:15:56,880
fakes and

408
00:15:59,910 --> 00:15:58,639
hoaxers out there it's all mixed in

409
00:16:02,470 --> 00:15:59,920
together so

410
00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:02,480
but they're uh you know they are always

411
00:16:05,749 --> 00:16:03,440
curious

412
00:16:06,870 --> 00:16:05,759
as to you know what is a good book to

413
00:16:09,509 --> 00:16:06,880
read that's a

414
00:16:09,990 --> 00:16:09,519
common question that i get and it sounds

415
00:16:12,310 --> 00:16:10,000
like

416
00:16:13,670 --> 00:16:12,320
you are targeting that sort of uh that

417
00:16:15,990 --> 00:16:13,680
sort of audience

418
00:16:16,790 --> 00:16:16,000
yeah what i've tried to do is then

419
00:16:20,829 --> 00:16:16,800
encompass

420
00:16:24,470 --> 00:16:20,839
different things on the spiritual on the

421
00:16:26,629 --> 00:16:24,480
ufos specifically but it's just to

422
00:16:28,710 --> 00:16:26,639
encompass all things so do you want me

423
00:16:29,590 --> 00:16:28,720
to carry on with a brief explanation

424
00:16:32,710 --> 00:16:29,600
mark oh sure yeah

425
00:16:36,430 --> 00:16:32,720
yeah go ahead okay we

426
00:16:39,829 --> 00:16:36,440
normally use everybody uses our

427
00:16:42,150 --> 00:16:39,839
electromagnetic spectrum to a certain

428
00:16:43,990 --> 00:16:42,160
greater or lesser degree it's around us

429
00:16:46,150 --> 00:16:44,000
we understand it

430
00:16:48,230 --> 00:16:46,160
uh at the high end you've got the radio

431
00:16:49,670 --> 00:16:48,240
waves that we're using now

432
00:16:51,910 --> 00:16:49,680
and then it comes down through the

433
00:16:54,310 --> 00:16:51,920
infrared to the visible light

434
00:16:55,430 --> 00:16:54,320
and acoustic spectrum that everybody

435
00:16:57,829 --> 00:16:55,440
deals with

436
00:17:00,310 --> 00:16:57,839
and corresponds with on a daily basis

437
00:17:01,910 --> 00:17:00,320
and then you go down to the ultraviolet

438
00:17:03,590 --> 00:17:01,920
x-rays and then the gamma rays at the

439
00:17:05,829 --> 00:17:03,600
bottom end now

440
00:17:07,909 --> 00:17:05,839
that's how a normal electromagnetic

441
00:17:09,110 --> 00:17:07,919
spectrum that everybody on the planet

442
00:17:11,510 --> 00:17:09,120
uses

443
00:17:13,029 --> 00:17:11,520
the thing is that the visible light and

444
00:17:16,150 --> 00:17:13,039
acoustic spectrum

445
00:17:19,829 --> 00:17:16,160
actually account for less than one tenth

446
00:17:20,949 --> 00:17:19,839
of one percent so of what is available

447
00:17:24,309 --> 00:17:20,959
to the normal

448
00:17:26,230 --> 00:17:24,319
joe public we know less than one tenth

449
00:17:27,429 --> 00:17:26,240
of one percent that we deal with on a

450
00:17:29,669 --> 00:17:27,439
daily basis

451
00:17:30,870 --> 00:17:29,679
okay can you can you just clarify are

452
00:17:32,789 --> 00:17:30,880
you saying so

453
00:17:34,549 --> 00:17:32,799
we are seeing just that part of the

454
00:17:36,950 --> 00:17:34,559
spectrum only is what you're saying

455
00:17:38,470 --> 00:17:36,960
of the total spectrum absolutely that's

456
00:17:39,990 --> 00:17:38,480
amazing because i brought that up many

457
00:17:41,270 --> 00:17:40,000
times in the show but i never knew the

458
00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:41,280
percentages

459
00:17:45,590 --> 00:17:43,840
yeah now it's actually less than that

460
00:17:47,510 --> 00:17:45,600
but to put it in ram trying to

461
00:17:49,350 --> 00:17:47,520
round it up into figures that people

462
00:17:52,870 --> 00:17:49,360
would understand

463
00:17:55,430 --> 00:17:52,880
so that's one tenth of one percent

464
00:17:56,789 --> 00:17:55,440
of the 100 that we normally deal with on

465
00:18:00,630 --> 00:17:56,799
a day-to-day basis

466
00:18:01,430 --> 00:18:00,640
amazing now everything uh we are getting

467
00:18:03,909 --> 00:18:01,440
better

468
00:18:05,350 --> 00:18:03,919
as you'll know the hubble telescope even

469
00:18:07,110 --> 00:18:05,360
in nurseries at all and

470
00:18:09,270 --> 00:18:07,120
photographers are starting to use the

471
00:18:10,150 --> 00:18:09,280
infrared just above our normal

472
00:18:12,070 --> 00:18:10,160
frequencies

473
00:18:13,430 --> 00:18:12,080
and the ultraviolet just below our

474
00:18:15,669 --> 00:18:13,440
normal frequencies

475
00:18:17,270 --> 00:18:15,679
and that way these nurseries and people

476
00:18:19,270 --> 00:18:17,280
that growing these plants and all this

477
00:18:21,590 --> 00:18:19,280
other produce that we can get now

478
00:18:22,789 --> 00:18:21,600
out of season is because of the way they

479
00:18:26,310 --> 00:18:22,799
do that

480
00:18:30,070 --> 00:18:26,320
and hubble uh in the telescope and

481
00:18:34,230 --> 00:18:30,080
also uh with the latest report

482
00:18:36,789 --> 00:18:34,240
for the uap task force where they

483
00:18:38,070 --> 00:18:36,799
are looking at the gun cameras that the

484
00:18:41,590 --> 00:18:38,080
military use

485
00:18:46,070 --> 00:18:41,600
apart from normal spectrum that we see

486
00:18:49,590 --> 00:18:46,080
they also use infrared uh

487
00:18:52,390 --> 00:18:49,600
as a different frequency

488
00:18:53,430 --> 00:18:52,400
that they can pick up if they see things

489
00:18:56,950 --> 00:18:53,440
so

490
00:19:00,230 --> 00:18:56,960
that is just a way of was looking at

491
00:19:02,789 --> 00:19:00,240
or understanding what we actually see

492
00:19:04,470 --> 00:19:02,799
now it gets more complicated than that

493
00:19:04,950 --> 00:19:04,480
as the deeper you go down the rabbit

494
00:19:08,630 --> 00:19:04,960
hole

495
00:19:11,270 --> 00:19:08,640
because the cosmologists now

496
00:19:13,430 --> 00:19:11,280
are saying i've heard figures and you'll

497
00:19:17,909 --> 00:19:13,440
hear it change all the time

498
00:19:20,789 --> 00:19:17,919
between 75 and even as high as 95

499
00:19:21,909 --> 00:19:20,799
of the universe is dark energy and dark

500
00:19:26,230 --> 00:19:21,919
matter right

501
00:19:29,590 --> 00:19:26,240
yeah now if you imagine that

502
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:29,600
dark energy and dark matter is

503
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:32,720
with what we see is your hundred percent

504
00:19:37,750 --> 00:19:36,000
but we of the known energy and matter

505
00:19:39,029 --> 00:19:37,760
and things that we see and what we deal

506
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:39,039
with on a daily basis

507
00:19:42,870 --> 00:19:41,840
is only five percent that means we're

508
00:19:44,789 --> 00:19:42,880
only seeing

509
00:19:45,909 --> 00:19:44,799
one tenth of one percent of the five

510
00:19:48,870 --> 00:19:45,919
percent

511
00:19:50,230 --> 00:19:48,880
so there's all that other out there so

512
00:19:53,510 --> 00:19:50,240
we've seen absolutely

513
00:19:55,110 --> 00:19:53,520
nothing just an infinitesimal tiny tiny

514
00:19:59,750 --> 00:19:55,120
amount

515
00:20:01,510 --> 00:19:59,760
now my theory is if you like if you want

516
00:20:04,789 --> 00:20:01,520
to call it that

517
00:20:06,070 --> 00:20:04,799
that this 95 that at the moment we're

518
00:20:09,590 --> 00:20:06,080
only scratching the surface

519
00:20:13,029 --> 00:20:09,600
of them becoming aware of

520
00:20:14,789 --> 00:20:13,039
i'll use the term et as a coverall

521
00:20:17,430 --> 00:20:14,799
because i do believe there are different

522
00:20:19,750 --> 00:20:17,440
races of et

523
00:20:20,549 --> 00:20:19,760
contacting us and going through our

524
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:20,559
space

525
00:20:27,430 --> 00:20:24,240
all the time now e.t

526
00:20:28,870 --> 00:20:27,440
you you just think if we sidestep a

527
00:20:31,430 --> 00:20:28,880
fraction

528
00:20:33,110 --> 00:20:31,440
how far we've come as a human race in

529
00:20:35,350 --> 00:20:33,120
the last hundred years

530
00:20:36,230 --> 00:20:35,360
a hundred years ago where you are now

531
00:20:38,870 --> 00:20:36,240
martin

532
00:20:40,470 --> 00:20:38,880
if you had a horse that was your normal

533
00:20:42,310 --> 00:20:40,480
transport if you had one

534
00:20:43,510 --> 00:20:42,320
otherwise it was a long walk to the

535
00:20:46,630 --> 00:20:43,520
railroad

536
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:46,640
very few people had their own car

537
00:20:50,149 --> 00:20:49,039
and if you wanted to communicate with

538
00:20:52,789 --> 00:20:50,159
anybody

539
00:20:55,110 --> 00:20:52,799
it was the wells fargo or whoever else

540
00:20:58,149 --> 00:20:55,120
and it took forever

541
00:20:58,710 --> 00:20:58,159
now we've got the things where we can

542
00:21:00,870 --> 00:20:58,720
talk

543
00:21:02,310 --> 00:21:00,880
almost instantly to anybody in the world

544
00:21:03,750 --> 00:21:02,320
at any time

545
00:21:06,710 --> 00:21:03,760
and all everybody's got their own

546
00:21:10,230 --> 00:21:06,720
transport we've flying around the earth

547
00:21:10,789 --> 00:21:10,240
we've we've come that far just in 100

548
00:21:13,830 --> 00:21:10,799
years

549
00:21:15,350 --> 00:21:13,840
so you might a race that maybe even if

550
00:21:16,310 --> 00:21:15,360
they're only a thousand years in front

551
00:21:20,070 --> 00:21:16,320
of us

552
00:21:23,110 --> 00:21:20,080
but they quite plausibly could be 10 000

553
00:21:23,990 --> 00:21:23,120
years in front of us so you imagine a

554
00:21:27,110 --> 00:21:24,000
race

555
00:21:30,390 --> 00:21:27,120
that's that far that far advanced

556
00:21:32,390 --> 00:21:30,400
they can completely understand the whole

557
00:21:35,029 --> 00:21:32,400
of the electromagnetic spectrum

558
00:21:35,830 --> 00:21:35,039
not just our five percent they

559
00:21:38,470 --> 00:21:35,840
understand

560
00:21:39,750 --> 00:21:38,480
dark energy and dark matter not only can

561
00:21:42,950 --> 00:21:39,760
they understand it

562
00:21:47,350 --> 00:21:42,960
they can control it they can use it the

563
00:21:50,310 --> 00:21:47,360
know exactly what what they're doing

564
00:21:52,470 --> 00:21:50,320
and that is why i believe et is around

565
00:21:56,710 --> 00:21:52,480
us constantly

566
00:21:59,430 --> 00:21:56,720
but it's on a different level to us

567
00:22:01,510 --> 00:21:59,440
right does that make sense so far i'm

568
00:22:05,350 --> 00:22:01,520
going to go a bit further yeah

569
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:05,360
oh yes yes and and um i i do

570
00:22:10,149 --> 00:22:08,480
i do get a lot of what you're saying it

571
00:22:11,990 --> 00:22:10,159
it it totally makes sense but

572
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:12,000
but and i will comment when you when you

573
00:22:16,390 --> 00:22:13,200
get through so keep

574
00:22:17,110 --> 00:22:16,400
keep going yeah okay right then we'll

575
00:22:20,789 --> 00:22:17,120
use

576
00:22:24,149 --> 00:22:20,799
an analogy or uh an old lp

577
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:24,159
a record the old round vinyl

578
00:22:29,110 --> 00:22:26,799
record with the hole in the center and

579
00:22:31,510 --> 00:22:29,120
the grooves all along it

580
00:22:33,830 --> 00:22:31,520
now if you imagine that is the actual

581
00:22:34,430 --> 00:22:33,840
plane that we're on now that is part of

582
00:22:38,070 --> 00:22:34,440
our

583
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:38,080
electromagnetic spectrum so

584
00:22:44,390 --> 00:22:42,000
you sat there me sat here the computer

585
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:44,400
what we're hearing in the air around us

586
00:22:49,750 --> 00:22:46,960
everything has a magnetic field

587
00:22:51,830 --> 00:22:49,760
the building we sat in and to a certain

588
00:22:54,710 --> 00:22:51,840
extent we can measure it

589
00:22:55,590 --> 00:22:54,720
that is why you'll hear people when they

590
00:22:57,909 --> 00:22:55,600
meet someone

591
00:22:58,870 --> 00:22:57,919
and they'll say and we use these phrases

592
00:23:02,470 --> 00:22:58,880
all the time

593
00:23:05,909 --> 00:23:02,480
they were on my wavelength yeah you know

594
00:23:08,710 --> 00:23:05,919
and that's how my magnetic field

595
00:23:10,630 --> 00:23:08,720
would react with your magnetic field so

596
00:23:11,669 --> 00:23:10,640
that you know immediately even without

597
00:23:13,590 --> 00:23:11,679
speaking

598
00:23:15,990 --> 00:23:13,600
if you're going to get on with somebody

599
00:23:18,710 --> 00:23:16,000
or not whatever the case may be

600
00:23:19,510 --> 00:23:18,720
because you're at the same frequency you

601
00:23:22,630 --> 00:23:19,520
know

602
00:23:25,669 --> 00:23:22,640
and that is how the universe works

603
00:23:27,110 --> 00:23:25,679
and this energy is around us all the

604
00:23:30,149 --> 00:23:27,120
time

605
00:23:33,270 --> 00:23:30,159
so that lp is just our

606
00:23:36,310 --> 00:23:33,280
five percent of the magnetic field we

607
00:23:37,830 --> 00:23:36,320
truly know about however there's another

608
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:37,840
95 percent

609
00:23:41,750 --> 00:23:40,320
of the dark energy and dark matter that

610
00:23:45,350 --> 00:23:41,760
et know about

611
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:45,360
and we don't so not only is there

612
00:23:50,630 --> 00:23:48,240
one lp where we are but there's another

613
00:23:53,430 --> 00:23:50,640
one and another one and another one

614
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:53,440
so there's a whole stack of records all

615
00:23:58,549 --> 00:23:55,520
at different frequencies

616
00:23:59,669 --> 00:23:58,559
and that is why we often hear both from

617
00:24:02,830 --> 00:23:59,679
the spiritual

618
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:02,840
and paranormal side of things and from

619
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:06,000
et of the different vibration

620
00:24:09,750 --> 00:24:08,480
different frequencies and it literally

621
00:24:12,789 --> 00:24:09,760
is just

622
00:24:16,870 --> 00:24:12,799
them if you like tuning down to us

623
00:24:19,110 --> 00:24:16,880
and to our frequency so that we can

624
00:24:20,789 --> 00:24:19,120
correspond with them does that make

625
00:24:23,510 --> 00:24:20,799
sense

626
00:24:23,909 --> 00:24:23,520
yes um the only thing i'd like to add

627
00:24:26,950 --> 00:24:23,919
when you

628
00:24:27,909 --> 00:24:26,960
first were talking about all this is

629
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:27,919
that

630
00:24:34,950 --> 00:24:34,159
um an intelligence could be a million

631
00:24:37,430 --> 00:24:34,960
years in

632
00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:37,440
in advance of us not just a thousand you

633
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:38,000
know in

634
00:24:43,350 --> 00:24:41,039
in my opinion because of the way the uh

635
00:24:44,470 --> 00:24:43,360
you know we know how the universe has

636
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:44,480
developed

637
00:24:48,390 --> 00:24:47,039
and we're a very young solar system

638
00:24:51,110 --> 00:24:48,400
compared to many

639
00:24:52,630 --> 00:24:51,120
so it's not unreasonable or even longer

640
00:24:54,630 --> 00:24:52,640
than that if you wanted to

641
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,640
get technical about it that that is a

642
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,240
possibility but yeah i'm

643
00:25:00,470 --> 00:24:58,880
i'm i'm with you on this stuff it's very

644
00:25:03,750 --> 00:25:00,480
interesting to me

645
00:25:05,830 --> 00:25:03,760
right so so to take it further

646
00:25:09,830 --> 00:25:05,840
if you imagine we'll go back to the

647
00:25:13,350 --> 00:25:09,840
analogy of using the vinyl record

648
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:13,360
the grooves in the record are

649
00:25:18,310 --> 00:25:16,320
parts of life's life lessons if you like

650
00:25:21,590 --> 00:25:18,320
each one of those is a separate life

651
00:25:24,950 --> 00:25:21,600
a separate lesson that you're on and the

652
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:24,960
whatever you want to call him god allah

653
00:25:32,470 --> 00:25:28,559
buddha whatever purity

654
00:25:35,909 --> 00:25:32,480
is the center and evil

655
00:25:39,350 --> 00:25:35,919
is on the outside so we are somewhere

656
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:39,360
on the surface of our 5 record

657
00:25:42,870 --> 00:25:42,480
endeavoring to reach the center by our

658
00:25:46,070 --> 00:25:42,880
own

659
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:46,080
efforts so

660
00:25:51,909 --> 00:25:50,080
et is bound by the same rules

661
00:25:53,590 --> 00:25:51,919
they are trying to advance exactly the

662
00:25:56,630 --> 00:25:53,600
same as we are

663
00:26:00,070 --> 00:25:56,640
our goal in life if you like

664
00:26:02,390 --> 00:26:00,080
is to improve by your own effort

665
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:02,400
so it's not nothing to do with religion

666
00:26:05,430 --> 00:26:03,840
religion don't come into it

667
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:05,440
it doesn't make any difference what

668
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:08,400
religion you are it's still the same

669
00:26:12,149 --> 00:26:10,000
to the center of the record for

670
00:26:15,590 --> 00:26:12,159
everybody

671
00:26:19,269 --> 00:26:15,600
so it's just part of your personal

672
00:26:22,470 --> 00:26:19,279
growth and you've been aware

673
00:26:25,269 --> 00:26:22,480
that that is how you can by

674
00:26:26,310 --> 00:26:25,279
by helping people by your morals your

675
00:26:28,470 --> 00:26:26,320
ethics

676
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,480
you can lift your vibration and move

677
00:26:32,549 --> 00:26:30,000
yourself

678
00:26:34,549 --> 00:26:32,559
towards the center of the record does

679
00:26:37,909 --> 00:26:34,559
that make sense

680
00:26:39,590 --> 00:26:37,919
um yeah i mean i'm it's a i i agree that

681
00:26:42,149 --> 00:26:39,600
it's a theory i don't know if i

682
00:26:43,110 --> 00:26:42,159
if i if i totally agree with it but it's

683
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:43,120
interesting so

684
00:26:50,149 --> 00:26:46,320
um but yeah and i'm listening and and

685
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:50,159
and please continue sure sure so

686
00:26:54,070 --> 00:26:52,960
this is how i believe we we are

687
00:26:56,470 --> 00:26:54,080
somewhere

688
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:56,480
on there and each life you will come

689
00:26:58,470 --> 00:26:57,279
back

690
00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,480
and whether you believe it or not is

691
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:00,559
irrelevant this is what's happening

692
00:27:04,390 --> 00:27:03,120
and it's same with e.t there's this

693
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:04,400
universal law

694
00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:07,279
that we all will learn that is part of

695
00:27:10,549 --> 00:27:08,770
the thing with

696
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:10,559
[Music]

697
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:13,279
when you look at the abductees and

698
00:27:17,350 --> 00:27:14,480
everything else

699
00:27:18,789 --> 00:27:17,360
if you imagine as you said a race that

700
00:27:21,830 --> 00:27:18,799
may be a million years

701
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:21,840
ahead of us in time

702
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:25,520
how would they interact with us

703
00:27:31,750 --> 00:27:28,559
without hurting us

704
00:27:33,510 --> 00:27:31,760
and we've we've heard all the different

705
00:27:36,789 --> 00:27:33,520
strange things with different types of

706
00:27:40,149 --> 00:27:36,799
80 and different types of experience

707
00:27:43,110 --> 00:27:40,159
however if you look at it some sort of

708
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,120
our equivalent would be if you have a

709
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:45,600
nature reserve a park near you

710
00:27:49,190 --> 00:27:48,399
and people will come along and they'll

711
00:27:51,830 --> 00:27:49,200
put the

712
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:51,840
nets out and they'll catch birds bats

713
00:27:55,190 --> 00:27:53,120
they'll look at them they'll look at the

714
00:27:56,630 --> 00:27:55,200
different species they'll weigh them

715
00:27:58,549 --> 00:27:56,640
make sure that they're thriving that

716
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:58,559
they're good for the community and the

717
00:28:02,549 --> 00:28:00,960
ecosystem supporting them and then they

718
00:28:06,789 --> 00:28:02,559
just let them go

719
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:06,799
is it quite pause plausible the et

720
00:28:11,029 --> 00:28:09,919
has this if you like a bizarre act of

721
00:28:14,630 --> 00:28:11,039
kindness

722
00:28:17,990 --> 00:28:14,640
that they don't let us remember and that

723
00:28:20,470 --> 00:28:18,000
is the very similar mechanism i've

724
00:28:24,310 --> 00:28:20,480
simplified it but it's just to get the

725
00:28:27,669 --> 00:28:24,320
analogy over for what may be happening

726
00:28:30,789 --> 00:28:27,679
yeah well a question i have on on this

727
00:28:33,750 --> 00:28:30,799
particular thought is uh why us

728
00:28:35,110 --> 00:28:33,760
i mean if there is intelligent life all

729
00:28:38,549 --> 00:28:35,120
over the universe

730
00:28:41,430 --> 00:28:38,559
uh which could very well be

731
00:28:42,149 --> 00:28:41,440
um just just by the odds of of the

732
00:28:45,990 --> 00:28:42,159
numbers

733
00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:46,000
of the stars and planets that supposedly

734
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:48,240
are out there and habitable planet

735
00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:49,679
habitable planets

736
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:52,640
that could be out there uh why would we

737
00:28:56,070 --> 00:28:54,320
be so special that they'd be paying

738
00:28:59,110 --> 00:28:56,080
attention to us

739
00:29:02,230 --> 00:28:59,120
in your opinion in my opinion

740
00:29:03,269 --> 00:29:02,240
we're not special at all we are there i

741
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:03,279
agree

742
00:29:09,190 --> 00:29:07,039
yeah we we've been here

743
00:29:10,549 --> 00:29:09,200
we're the new kids on the block really

744
00:29:12,389 --> 00:29:10,559
and the thing is

745
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:12,399
that it's no good having all these

746
00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:14,399
technological advances

747
00:29:19,590 --> 00:29:18,000
if you're going to go around being evil

748
00:29:20,950 --> 00:29:19,600
and killing people and all the rest of

749
00:29:24,389 --> 00:29:20,960
it that would

750
00:29:27,669 --> 00:29:24,399
defeat the object you have to advance

751
00:29:28,950 --> 00:29:27,679
spiritually you have to advance yourself

752
00:29:33,190 --> 00:29:28,960
as well

753
00:29:36,149 --> 00:29:33,200
and you can't have uh

754
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:36,159
the people that are so far advanced with

755
00:29:40,789 --> 00:29:38,080
so much technology

756
00:29:42,149 --> 00:29:40,799
that that are evil that go that want to

757
00:29:44,230 --> 00:29:42,159
do people harm

758
00:29:45,750 --> 00:29:44,240
that that defeats the object that's not

759
00:29:49,110 --> 00:29:45,760
what we're about

760
00:29:51,830 --> 00:29:49,120
good will always win evil in the end

761
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:51,840
and i think as part of the normal human

762
00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:52,960
psyche

763
00:29:57,590 --> 00:29:55,520
even in competitive sports and

764
00:30:01,430 --> 00:29:57,600
everything else that we do

765
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:01,440
the people that uh do advance

766
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:03,600
by doing good turns and helping other

767
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:05,760
people and doing good things

768
00:30:11,750 --> 00:30:09,120
rather than cheating whatever that

769
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:11,760
that makes you feel good inside and

770
00:30:14,070 --> 00:30:12,240
that's

771
00:30:16,389 --> 00:30:14,080
why you feel good inside because you

772
00:30:16,870 --> 00:30:16,399
know not only are you helping somebody

773
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:16,880
else

774
00:30:20,789 --> 00:30:18,960
you're helping yourself as well and i

775
00:30:23,990 --> 00:30:20,799
think that's a natural thing

776
00:30:27,350 --> 00:30:24,000
and a natural aspiration for us as

777
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:27,360
humans and so

778
00:30:30,950 --> 00:30:29,919
that is why it's natural for us to

779
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:30,960
advance

780
00:30:35,990 --> 00:30:34,080
towards as we learn

781
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:36,000
uh to move towards the center of the

782
00:30:40,230 --> 00:30:38,480
record

783
00:30:42,710 --> 00:30:40,240
well i'd certainly like to see that i

784
00:30:46,310 --> 00:30:42,720
mean the 20th century

785
00:30:47,750 --> 00:30:46,320
was the most violent century that was

786
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:47,760
ever on record

787
00:30:54,470 --> 00:30:51,120
and you know i'm hoping the 21st

788
00:30:56,630 --> 00:30:54,480
is going to not come anywhere near that

789
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,640
you know it'd be it would be nice if if

790
00:31:01,110 --> 00:30:58,080
we could

791
00:31:04,549 --> 00:31:01,120
go in a direction of of more peace

792
00:31:08,070 --> 00:31:04,559
that's for sure yeah so

793
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:08,080
if i just carry on with the explanation

794
00:31:12,389 --> 00:31:09,279
of the ufos

795
00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:12,399
sure yeah so if you have somebody

796
00:31:17,269 --> 00:31:15,600
uh will say these abductees i'll just

797
00:31:18,070 --> 00:31:17,279
touch on the abductees i was very

798
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:18,080
fortunate

799
00:31:22,389 --> 00:31:20,480
when i was with beaufora to meet bud

800
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:22,399
hopkins

801
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:25,519
and we have like the dolores cannon bud

802
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:28,320
hopkins kathmarden more recently

803
00:31:35,110 --> 00:31:32,240
but they will all say um that the

804
00:31:35,750 --> 00:31:35,120
when they've been interviewing abductees

805
00:31:39,350 --> 00:31:35,760
that

806
00:31:41,430 --> 00:31:39,360
the everything was done by thought

807
00:31:43,509 --> 00:31:41,440
that's why there was no there was never

808
00:31:45,430 --> 00:31:43,519
any problem with language

809
00:31:48,310 --> 00:31:45,440
because they don't need to use language

810
00:31:50,230 --> 00:31:48,320
it's a it's the whole picture

811
00:31:52,230 --> 00:31:50,240
of part of the thing that goes into your

812
00:31:53,590 --> 00:31:52,240
head so you don't need language because

813
00:31:55,350 --> 00:31:53,600
you're getting the whole

814
00:31:57,830 --> 00:31:55,360
comprehension of what they're trying to

815
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:57,840
put over so language doesn't come into

816
00:32:00,870 --> 00:31:58,399
it

817
00:32:02,789 --> 00:32:00,880
so that is why we've never had a problem

818
00:32:07,430 --> 00:32:02,799
of

819
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:07,440
communication with any

820
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:11,279
et abductees whatever everybody's always

821
00:32:16,389 --> 00:32:12,720
been able to communicate

822
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:16,399
and that is why because thought is an

823
00:32:19,430 --> 00:32:17,519
energy

824
00:32:21,110 --> 00:32:19,440
everything that we think and the

825
00:32:24,070 --> 00:32:21,120
intention behind it

826
00:32:24,950 --> 00:32:24,080
again as einstein said everything is

827
00:32:27,909 --> 00:32:24,960
energy

828
00:32:29,750 --> 00:32:27,919
so when you're putting that out there

829
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:29,760
when you're thinking the right thoughts

830
00:32:33,110 --> 00:32:30,880
if you like

831
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:33,120
you're thinking good things that's what

832
00:32:36,549 --> 00:32:34,320
you get back

833
00:32:37,590 --> 00:32:36,559
that's what that's what people don't

834
00:32:39,830 --> 00:32:37,600
understand

835
00:32:41,669 --> 00:32:39,840
and you get negative people that having

836
00:32:43,430 --> 00:32:41,679
bad things and they say oh it's bad calm

837
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:43,440
and bad luck and it's like

838
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:46,480
no you're doing not very nice things and

839
00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:47,919
you're being negative

840
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,600
so that's what you're thinking that's

841
00:32:53,029 --> 00:32:51,840
your intention that's what you receive

842
00:32:55,590 --> 00:32:53,039
him back

843
00:32:56,789 --> 00:32:55,600
and this this whole industry of the

844
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,799
power of positive

845
00:33:00,630 --> 00:32:58,720
thinking if you like that's from behind

846
00:33:06,389 --> 00:33:00,640
that

847
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:06,399
when i was bud hopkins when i was

848
00:33:09,590 --> 00:33:07,600
speaking to him

849
00:33:12,149 --> 00:33:09,600
he said paul i got into the field of

850
00:33:15,029 --> 00:33:12,159
ufos quite by accident really

851
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:15,039
he was an artist and he said i wanted to

852
00:33:18,710 --> 00:33:16,880
be a counselor again to help

853
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,720
people and it was more down the

854
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:20,480
counseling

855
00:33:23,509 --> 00:33:22,880
line that he wanted to go but he said

856
00:33:25,590 --> 00:33:23,519
when

857
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:25,600
different people from different

858
00:33:29,509 --> 00:33:26,559
geographical

859
00:33:30,789 --> 00:33:29,519
locations different countries and cities

860
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:30,799
were telling me

861
00:33:35,190 --> 00:33:33,600
exactly the same thing from whatever

862
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,200
walks of life

863
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:37,279
he said they didn't know each other he

864
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:39,039
says there's no way

865
00:33:42,070 --> 00:33:41,519
they would have met and been able to

866
00:33:44,549 --> 00:33:42,080
exchange

867
00:33:46,710 --> 00:33:44,559
stories he said but when these people

868
00:33:49,509 --> 00:33:46,720
are all telling you the same thing

869
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:49,519
there's got to be something else to it

870
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,320
and then

871
00:33:55,350 --> 00:33:52,559
obviously dolores cannon and cat modern

872
00:33:58,389 --> 00:33:55,360
have said the exactly the same thing

873
00:34:00,070 --> 00:33:58,399
so but one thing that they are

874
00:34:03,909 --> 00:34:00,080
constantly being told

875
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:03,919
is everything's done by thought

876
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:07,679
so for us as normal human beings

877
00:34:14,470 --> 00:34:10,720
we we're nowhere near that level yet

878
00:34:17,669 --> 00:34:14,480
however if you think about it there are

879
00:34:21,349 --> 00:34:17,679
times when uh

880
00:34:23,109 --> 00:34:21,359
we've had contactees and abductees

881
00:34:24,790 --> 00:34:23,119
i've had close contact with things like

882
00:34:26,629 --> 00:34:24,800
the rendlesham forest where

883
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,639
he put his hand on the craft and he said

884
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:28,480
he got a download

885
00:34:33,909 --> 00:34:31,919
and that is because the et is completely

886
00:34:34,710 --> 00:34:33,919
in control of that craft and everything

887
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:34,720
with it

888
00:34:41,829 --> 00:34:37,839
by by their mind by their thought

889
00:34:44,470 --> 00:34:41,839
so immediately his magnetic field

890
00:34:45,750 --> 00:34:44,480
is interacting with the magnetic field

891
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:45,760
of

892
00:34:50,710 --> 00:34:48,399
the et and the craft if you like and

893
00:34:53,750 --> 00:34:50,720
that's why you got the download

894
00:34:59,030 --> 00:34:53,760
and that is why

895
00:35:02,870 --> 00:35:01,589
i keep saying ufos they've brought this

896
00:35:06,390 --> 00:35:02,880
new thing out

897
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,400
uap and i believe

898
00:35:11,030 --> 00:35:08,400
unidentified aerial phenomena is

899
00:35:14,790 --> 00:35:11,040
actually much more accurate

900
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:14,800
however now i've said that i will always

901
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:16,079
use the term ufo

902
00:35:19,750 --> 00:35:18,880
because if you go martin to your local

903
00:35:21,510 --> 00:35:19,760
shopping mall

904
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:21,520
and stop the first hundred people that

905
00:35:27,109 --> 00:35:23,040
walk through the door and say

906
00:35:30,470 --> 00:35:27,119
what's a ufo 99 out of 100 will know

907
00:35:33,349 --> 00:35:30,480
what ufo is if you said uap

908
00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:33,359
99 out of 100 will go what are you

909
00:35:39,829 --> 00:35:35,440
talking about

910
00:35:43,510 --> 00:35:39,839
so that's why i always use the term ufo

911
00:35:44,550 --> 00:35:43,520
anyway i'm digressing so ufos yes they

912
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:44,560
don't identify

913
00:35:49,270 --> 00:35:46,560
yes they're objects but no they don't

914
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:49,280
fly that's what we do

915
00:35:52,870 --> 00:35:51,920
and their physics because they're able

916
00:35:55,270 --> 00:35:52,880
to understand

917
00:35:56,230 --> 00:35:55,280
and manipulate and control the magnetic

918
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:56,240
spectrum

919
00:36:00,550 --> 00:35:58,880
everything's done with thought so they

920
00:36:02,470 --> 00:36:00,560
don't have any problems they're in their

921
00:36:03,030 --> 00:36:02,480
own little pockets of universe if you

922
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:03,040
like

923
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:04,720
their own little pockets of energy

924
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:06,720
that's completely isolated from

925
00:36:11,190 --> 00:36:08,240
everything around it

926
00:36:12,069 --> 00:36:11,200
so there's no gravity involved they can

927
00:36:15,670 --> 00:36:12,079
fly through

928
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:15,680
atmosphere

929
00:36:19,910 --> 00:36:18,400
they can fly through our lakes and seas

930
00:36:20,790 --> 00:36:19,920
no problems whatsoever because it's

931
00:36:23,030 --> 00:36:20,800
irrelevant

932
00:36:24,790 --> 00:36:23,040
and it's the same when you see them stop

933
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:24,800
dead reverse

934
00:36:28,950 --> 00:36:26,960
move it 10 000 miles an hour they're

935
00:36:31,190 --> 00:36:28,960
only moving at 10 000 miles

936
00:36:32,069 --> 00:36:31,200
miles an hour to us that's what we

937
00:36:34,390 --> 00:36:32,079
perceive

938
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:34,400
they're not using our physics and they

939
00:36:37,750 --> 00:36:35,920
make me laugh when you they get these

940
00:36:38,550 --> 00:36:37,760
people on the television documentaries

941
00:36:41,750 --> 00:36:38,560
and they say

942
00:36:44,069 --> 00:36:41,760
oh there was no visible flight surfaces

943
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:44,079
there was no heat plume there was no

944
00:36:47,750 --> 00:36:46,640
it's a load of rubbish there won't ever

945
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:47,760
ever be any of that

946
00:36:52,870 --> 00:36:50,240
because they're not using our physics

947
00:36:55,589 --> 00:36:52,880
they don't correlate they don't use it

948
00:36:55,990 --> 00:36:55,599
they are contrary completely controlled

949
00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:56,000
by

950
00:37:00,470 --> 00:36:59,119
thought and that is why being in their

951
00:37:04,069 --> 00:37:00,480
own pocket of energy

952
00:37:06,790 --> 00:37:04,079
speed whatever maneuverability

953
00:37:08,630 --> 00:37:06,800
don't come into it it's irrelevant

954
00:37:11,670 --> 00:37:08,640
they're completely isolated

955
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:11,680
and to them they're not moving it's only

956
00:37:16,310 --> 00:37:13,440
what we perceive

957
00:37:16,630 --> 00:37:16,320
their movement as they move through our

958
00:37:20,069 --> 00:37:16,640
might

959
00:37:21,270 --> 00:37:20,079
out through our parts of the magnetic

960
00:37:24,390 --> 00:37:21,280
field

961
00:37:28,310 --> 00:37:24,400
so in in that in particular

962
00:37:30,230 --> 00:37:28,320
how how do they get here

963
00:37:31,990 --> 00:37:30,240
well that's the other thing they think

964
00:37:34,829 --> 00:37:32,000
they think their way here

965
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:34,839
yes in your in your thoughts yeah

966
00:37:39,430 --> 00:37:36,880
absolutely and the other thing is

967
00:37:41,589 --> 00:37:39,440
going back to the stack of records the

968
00:37:43,430 --> 00:37:41,599
stack of records are all on different

969
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:43,440
frequencies

970
00:37:49,349 --> 00:37:47,200
so all they have to do is tune

971
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:49,359
down if you like from there might be two

972
00:37:53,589 --> 00:37:50,400
or three stacks

973
00:37:56,710 --> 00:37:53,599
in the record above us so all they do

974
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:56,720
is detune it and they come down i mean

975
00:38:00,790 --> 00:37:57,520
we have

976
00:38:03,030 --> 00:38:00,800
lots of instances uh there was the

977
00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:03,040
uh dickman woods incident with robert

978
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:04,400
taylor where he said

979
00:38:07,990 --> 00:38:06,320
initially there was nothing he could

980
00:38:08,470 --> 00:38:08,000
just see an impression and then he could

981
00:38:10,470 --> 00:38:08,480
see

982
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:10,480
an outline of a vehicle like it was

983
00:38:13,510 --> 00:38:11,839
see-through

984
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,520
it was transparent and then it

985
00:38:16,550 --> 00:38:15,200
solidified

986
00:38:18,230 --> 00:38:16,560
there was another one the gaffney

987
00:38:20,630 --> 00:38:18,240
incident in the u.s

988
00:38:22,630 --> 00:38:20,640
where there were police and other people

989
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:22,640
reported ufos and then a young couple

990
00:38:27,270 --> 00:38:23,760
saw them

991
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:27,280
and initially they just saw the outline

992
00:38:31,750 --> 00:38:29,440
of a disc shaped craft coming towards

993
00:38:31,990 --> 00:38:31,760
them and it solidified as it came

994
00:38:34,069 --> 00:38:32,000
through

995
00:38:36,230 --> 00:38:34,079
the trees because if you think about it

996
00:38:38,710 --> 00:38:36,240
it's coming down into our spectrum

997
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,720
it's becoming visible and what happened

998
00:38:42,069 --> 00:38:40,320
was as it came through the

999
00:38:45,430 --> 00:38:42,079
brush and the undergrowth where they

1000
00:38:48,230 --> 00:38:45,440
were the trees burst into flames

1001
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:48,240
which again if you look at it logically

1002
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:50,079
immediately above our visible light

1003
00:38:54,390 --> 00:38:50,720
spectrum

1004
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:54,400
is the infrared which generate heat

1005
00:39:00,870 --> 00:38:57,760
so they were

1006
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:00,880
you know run 911 they ran

1007
00:39:04,069 --> 00:39:02,880
the fire service did the police they

1008
00:39:06,550 --> 00:39:04,079
turned up

1009
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,560
the ufo had long gone by then and all

1010
00:39:10,870 --> 00:39:08,560
that was left was a burning

1011
00:39:12,630 --> 00:39:10,880
shrubbery the fire service put it out

1012
00:39:16,150 --> 00:39:12,640
they made the statement to the police

1013
00:39:18,310 --> 00:39:16,160
but i'm just saying this is one way of

1014
00:39:20,310 --> 00:39:18,320
how they move and how they're in

1015
00:39:22,550 --> 00:39:20,320
complete control

1016
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,560
and able to manipulate the magnetic

1017
00:39:25,430 --> 00:39:24,400
spectrum and it's only when they come

1018
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:25,440
down through it

1019
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:28,240
into our bay i believe they're out there

1020
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:29,280
all the time

1021
00:39:34,150 --> 00:39:33,119
and we should be able to go out 365

1022
00:39:37,589 --> 00:39:34,160
nights a year

1023
00:39:41,030 --> 00:39:37,599
with good skies and see

1024
00:39:43,270 --> 00:39:41,040
craft up there if we knew the right

1025
00:39:44,310 --> 00:39:43,280
frequency to look at and it's only

1026
00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:44,320
occasionally

1027
00:39:49,589 --> 00:39:47,359
when they're going through our tiny one

1028
00:39:51,910 --> 00:39:49,599
tenth of one percent that we actually

1029
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:51,920
see it

1030
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:53,839
interesting well that's really an

1031
00:39:57,829 --> 00:39:55,119
interesting theory

1032
00:39:59,349 --> 00:39:57,839
and i do believe that as our equipment

1033
00:40:01,750 --> 00:39:59,359
will advance i mean

1034
00:40:02,550 --> 00:40:01,760
since where our equipment has advanced

1035
00:40:04,309 --> 00:40:02,560
we are

1036
00:40:05,829 --> 00:40:04,319
seeing more the military seeing more

1037
00:40:07,990 --> 00:40:05,839
ufos so

1038
00:40:09,510 --> 00:40:08,000
i do believe that the more advanced we

1039
00:40:11,190 --> 00:40:09,520
get the more we will see

1040
00:40:13,990 --> 00:40:11,200
i want to address something really quick

1041
00:40:15,990 --> 00:40:14,000
quickly that came up in the chat room

1042
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:16,000
and i i talked about this last week and

1043
00:40:21,430 --> 00:40:17,920
now i'll talk about it again

1044
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:21,440
quickly is uh the travis walton

1045
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:25,599
um the claim that mike rogers

1046
00:40:30,309 --> 00:40:27,680
mike heston rogers the truck driver that

1047
00:40:33,829 --> 00:40:30,319
travis walton incident is claiming

1048
00:40:36,870 --> 00:40:33,839
that travis um hopes this and i'm on

1049
00:40:39,030 --> 00:40:36,880
travis's side i do believe that uh

1050
00:40:40,470 --> 00:40:39,040
mike rogers has some issues and i'm not

1051
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:40,480
afraid to say that he already

1052
00:40:44,710 --> 00:40:43,920
has sent me some pretty uh strong mail i

1053
00:40:47,990 --> 00:40:44,720
will say

1054
00:40:51,430 --> 00:40:48,000
um so anyway uh he

1055
00:40:53,829 --> 00:40:51,440
mike is is not is not well

1056
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:53,839
and says some some things that are not

1057
00:40:58,710 --> 00:40:56,000
so for instance he was saying

1058
00:41:00,230 --> 00:40:58,720
um you know the ufo looked real um but i

1059
00:41:01,270 --> 00:41:00,240
know it was a hoax i mean why would

1060
00:41:03,270 --> 00:41:01,280
anyone

1061
00:41:04,390 --> 00:41:03,280
have a fake ufo in the middle of the

1062
00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:04,400
woods if they were just gonna hope

1063
00:41:06,950 --> 00:41:05,839
something they wouldn't even need it

1064
00:41:09,349 --> 00:41:06,960
anyway

1065
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,359
stick with travis walton on this one and

1066
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:11,440
so we'll just move on from there

1067
00:41:15,829 --> 00:41:14,000
thank you i'm absolutely 100 with you

1068
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:15,839
and i believe travis walton was telling

1069
00:41:19,750 --> 00:41:16,800
the truth

1070
00:41:22,150 --> 00:41:19,760
and bless him uh i believe that mike

1071
00:41:25,270 --> 00:41:22,160
rogers is a case of sour grapes

1072
00:41:27,589 --> 00:41:25,280
in my opinion yeah however

1073
00:41:29,589 --> 00:41:27,599
we time the truth will come out and time

1074
00:41:31,510 --> 00:41:29,599
will tell

1075
00:41:33,750 --> 00:41:31,520
right and and poor travis has gone

1076
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,760
through this before he walked away from

1077
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,680
this whole topic because it's

1078
00:41:38,950 --> 00:41:37,680
it was emotionally draining to him this

1079
00:41:41,750 --> 00:41:38,960
type of thing

1080
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:41,760
and uh he tries not to give he tries to

1081
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:42,800
give the energy

1082
00:41:45,910 --> 00:41:45,119
back you talk about energy you know he

1083
00:41:48,950 --> 00:41:45,920
tries to

1084
00:41:50,630 --> 00:41:48,960
give that back in a positive way and

1085
00:41:52,470 --> 00:41:50,640
he doesn't make money if people think

1086
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:52,480
he's making money it's it's

1087
00:41:55,990 --> 00:41:54,319
he's retired he he's at these

1088
00:41:56,790 --> 00:41:56,000
conferences and things because he wants

1089
00:41:59,589 --> 00:41:56,800
to be

1090
00:42:00,230 --> 00:41:59,599
but not not i mean they pay his airfare

1091
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:00,240
and pay his

1092
00:42:03,910 --> 00:42:02,160
meals but he doesn't make any money

1093
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,920
that's kind of silly people think he

1094
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,440
he's on the whole thing just for money

1095
00:42:08,950 --> 00:42:08,160
and um very little money has come out of

1096
00:42:12,470 --> 00:42:08,960
that for him

1097
00:42:13,190 --> 00:42:12,480
actually um so uh i think what we're

1098
00:42:16,870 --> 00:42:13,200
going to do

1099
00:42:19,510 --> 00:42:16,880
did you have you had like an appendix uh

1100
00:42:21,109 --> 00:42:19,520
you wanted to follow up on was there one

1101
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:21,119
more part of this

1102
00:42:24,950 --> 00:42:23,200
uh that you're talking about and i do

1103
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:24,960
think your your theory is fascinating

1104
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,720
i'm very interested in it

1105
00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:28,720
um but are you are you basically done

1106
00:42:33,430 --> 00:42:30,000
with that because i'd like to take

1107
00:42:35,030 --> 00:42:33,440
calls fairly soon if you are yeah can i

1108
00:42:35,589 --> 00:42:35,040
just have two minutes i've got just the

1109
00:42:39,349 --> 00:42:35,599
last few

1110
00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:39,359
you bet to take your time sure okay

1111
00:42:45,910 --> 00:42:42,400
to go on from that if you imagine

1112
00:42:48,470 --> 00:42:45,920
that these records come

1113
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:48,480
in certain places geographical locations

1114
00:42:51,589 --> 00:42:50,079
you'll have places like skinwalker

1115
00:42:52,150 --> 00:42:51,599
that's famous over your neck of the

1116
00:42:53,510 --> 00:42:52,160
woods

1117
00:42:55,109 --> 00:42:53,520
and there are other places there are

1118
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:55,119
lots and lots of them all around the

1119
00:42:58,550 --> 00:42:55,839
world

1120
00:43:00,710 --> 00:42:58,560
and i believe this is where the records

1121
00:43:03,670 --> 00:43:00,720
if you like that are in the stack

1122
00:43:04,390 --> 00:43:03,680
are almost touching and that's why you

1123
00:43:07,750 --> 00:43:04,400
get

1124
00:43:14,790 --> 00:43:07,760
activity

1125
00:43:17,349 --> 00:43:14,800
dogma sasquatch

1126
00:43:19,510 --> 00:43:17,359
and i think this is one of the things

1127
00:43:22,870 --> 00:43:19,520
that as an investigator

1128
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:22,880
when you're out there one of the uh

1129
00:43:29,670 --> 00:43:26,240
more common things that we get is

1130
00:43:31,829 --> 00:43:29,680
absolute silence and about this when

1131
00:43:33,910 --> 00:43:31,839
people have been going just looking for

1132
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:33,920
sasquatch looking for bigfoot

1133
00:43:37,829 --> 00:43:36,319
and also in the paranormal but also in

1134
00:43:40,309 --> 00:43:37,839
ufos as well

1135
00:43:41,829 --> 00:43:40,319
and people will say there was no noise

1136
00:43:44,630 --> 00:43:41,839
and by no noise i mean

1137
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:44,640
complete silence there was no wind in

1138
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:46,480
the trees there was no birds in the air

1139
00:43:51,829 --> 00:43:47,680
there was no background

1140
00:43:55,270 --> 00:43:51,839
of traffic zip nothing and it's because

1141
00:43:55,670 --> 00:43:55,280
you are there then getting very close to

1142
00:43:57,430 --> 00:43:55,680
where

1143
00:43:58,950 --> 00:43:57,440
you shouldn't be you're getting very

1144
00:44:01,030 --> 00:43:58,960
close to tuning out

1145
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:01,040
of your frequency and you're in a

1146
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:02,400
different one altogether

1147
00:44:05,510 --> 00:44:04,240
and that's why there's nothing on the

1148
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:05,520
acoustic spectrum because there's

1149
00:44:08,069 --> 00:44:07,280
nothing for you to hear on our acoustic

1150
00:44:12,309 --> 00:44:08,079
spectrum

1151
00:44:15,270 --> 00:44:12,319
if that makes sense also

1152
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:15,280
the other thing how on a chemical level

1153
00:44:20,309 --> 00:44:17,119
we as humans have the

1154
00:44:21,910 --> 00:44:20,319
fight off light syndrome

1155
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:21,920
where if you backed into a corner you

1156
00:44:28,309 --> 00:44:24,000
get that boost of adrenaline

1157
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:28,319
that's on the chemical level on a

1158
00:44:33,829 --> 00:44:30,240
spiritual level if you like

1159
00:44:36,550 --> 00:44:33,839
your soul it is also

1160
00:44:38,470 --> 00:44:36,560
an electromagnetic thing it's an

1161
00:44:40,950 --> 00:44:38,480
electromagnetic energy

1162
00:44:42,630 --> 00:44:40,960
when you get to that stage where you're

1163
00:44:45,430 --> 00:44:42,640
also at that level

1164
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:45,440
you will also always get i'm not saying

1165
00:44:49,750 --> 00:44:45,760
all

1166
00:44:51,990 --> 00:44:49,760
every time but you do get instances

1167
00:44:53,589 --> 00:44:52,000
where people have seen bigfoot people

1168
00:44:56,390 --> 00:44:53,599
have seen ghosts

1169
00:44:57,670 --> 00:44:56,400
people have seen ufos and they have this

1170
00:45:00,309 --> 00:44:57,680
absolute

1171
00:45:01,510 --> 00:45:00,319
terror this visceral terror this real

1172
00:45:03,190 --> 00:45:01,520
fear

1173
00:45:04,790 --> 00:45:03,200
and i think that's coming from a

1174
00:45:08,470 --> 00:45:04,800
different place where

1175
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:08,480
your higher self your soul recognizes

1176
00:45:13,270 --> 00:45:11,359
you strain into a different frequency

1177
00:45:14,150 --> 00:45:13,280
and it's unsafe you strain into the

1178
00:45:16,069 --> 00:45:14,160
territory

1179
00:45:17,430 --> 00:45:16,079
and other vibrations where you you

1180
00:45:19,829 --> 00:45:17,440
shouldn't normally be

1181
00:45:20,950 --> 00:45:19,839
and your soul recognizes that and that's

1182
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:20,960
why people get

1183
00:45:24,309 --> 00:45:23,760
as afraid as they do well let me tell

1184
00:45:27,190 --> 00:45:24,319
you i had

1185
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:27,200
i had uh i had an experience i don't

1186
00:45:29,910 --> 00:45:28,560
want to call it a ghost i don't know

1187
00:45:32,790 --> 00:45:29,920
exactly what it was

1188
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:32,800
but it was in a house where someone had

1189
00:45:35,670 --> 00:45:34,160
lived and i don't know if they passed

1190
00:45:38,150 --> 00:45:35,680
away or whatever it was

1191
00:45:40,150 --> 00:45:38,160
but i actually had like a door slam and

1192
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,160
and all types of things happen

1193
00:45:43,750 --> 00:45:42,720
right right when i was right there and

1194
00:45:45,030 --> 00:45:43,760
there was no way that it could have

1195
00:45:46,950 --> 00:45:45,040
happened on its own

1196
00:45:48,150 --> 00:45:46,960
but you're saying they're where they're

1197
00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:48,160
not supposed to be

1198
00:45:52,550 --> 00:45:50,800
but that's a home someone is supposed to

1199
00:45:53,349 --> 00:45:52,560
be in a home so i don't i don't really

1200
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:53,359
understand

1201
00:45:56,550 --> 00:45:55,359
what you're thinking is if you could

1202
00:45:59,589 --> 00:45:56,560
clarify that

1203
00:46:01,750 --> 00:45:59,599
yeah that's no problem that's again it's

1204
00:46:04,390 --> 00:46:01,760
on a spiritual level

1205
00:46:05,349 --> 00:46:04,400
uh that's just on a maybe a lower

1206
00:46:07,349 --> 00:46:05,359
frequency

1207
00:46:09,030 --> 00:46:07,359
but it's where if you like where the

1208
00:46:12,790 --> 00:46:09,040
record people have

1209
00:46:15,030 --> 00:46:12,800
or spirit have this connection to places

1210
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:15,040
a part of their memory and i believe you

1211
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:17,200
do get ghosts and you do get spirit

1212
00:46:21,589 --> 00:46:20,240
you'll get ghosts where if you imagine i

1213
00:46:25,270 --> 00:46:21,599
had a

1214
00:46:26,630 --> 00:46:25,280
haunting of a monk in

1215
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:26,640
a building that was made from the

1216
00:46:29,589 --> 00:46:29,040
cloisters of a monastery and people used

1217
00:46:31,510 --> 00:46:29,599
to see

1218
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:31,520
the monk in this building but if you've

1219
00:46:34,470 --> 00:46:33,599
got somebody like if you lived in your

1220
00:46:37,589 --> 00:46:34,480
home now

1221
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:37,599
for another 50 years your energy

1222
00:46:41,990 --> 00:46:39,440
is imprinted on the fabric of that

1223
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:42,000
building so in the right circumstances

1224
00:46:45,430 --> 00:46:43,520
i think it's quite plausible that

1225
00:46:49,109 --> 00:46:45,440
somebody could pick up that energy

1226
00:46:52,150 --> 00:46:49,119
and think yes that man was there

1227
00:46:54,870 --> 00:46:52,160
however a spirit is separate spirit is

1228
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:54,880
free thinking as we are they're just not

1229
00:46:59,910 --> 00:46:56,560
in the same place that we are

1230
00:47:02,790 --> 00:46:59,920
they're on a different frequency and

1231
00:47:04,230 --> 00:47:02,800
it's only occasionally when the

1232
00:47:06,870 --> 00:47:04,240
circumstances are right

1233
00:47:08,390 --> 00:47:06,880
are right that if you like the two

1234
00:47:11,030 --> 00:47:08,400
records come together

1235
00:47:12,309 --> 00:47:11,040
and we're able to have that where they

1236
00:47:14,150 --> 00:47:12,319
can move things

1237
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,160
they have that attachment to things it

1238
00:47:18,550 --> 00:47:16,079
can be furniture it can be building

1239
00:47:20,230 --> 00:47:18,560
it can be places where they live and

1240
00:47:24,870 --> 00:47:20,240
that is why

1241
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:24,880
we have these hauntings now

1242
00:47:28,470 --> 00:47:27,200
there's a lot more to it than that but

1243
00:47:30,870 --> 00:47:28,480
it's just again

1244
00:47:32,069 --> 00:47:30,880
it's just on the electromagnetic

1245
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:32,079
frequency

1246
00:47:38,549 --> 00:47:35,359
and understanding that that is how

1247
00:47:39,510 --> 00:47:38,559
they can inhabit the same place that we

1248
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:39,520
inhabit

1249
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:42,319
and affect it but we can't necessarily

1250
00:47:45,670 --> 00:47:43,119
see them

1251
00:47:47,270 --> 00:47:45,680
but occasionally we do get this contact

1252
00:47:50,390 --> 00:47:47,280
that affects us

1253
00:47:51,589 --> 00:47:50,400
because we're changing our vibration so

1254
00:47:55,109 --> 00:47:51,599
then it's like oh

1255
00:47:56,470 --> 00:47:55,119
what happened then you know so and uh

1256
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,480
well first of all i just want to say the

1257
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:58,160
line is open if anyone wants to call and

1258
00:48:01,510 --> 00:47:59,119
we could take

1259
00:48:04,270 --> 00:48:01,520
um we can take at least one call if

1260
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:04,280
you'd like to call in that number is

1261
00:48:10,309 --> 00:48:07,359
855-472-5483 bill standing by

1262
00:48:11,270 --> 00:48:10,319
so for instance your own childhood

1263
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:11,280
sighting

1264
00:48:14,790 --> 00:48:13,119
is that what you think that you weren't

1265
00:48:15,670 --> 00:48:14,800
supposed to be there and they were

1266
00:48:18,150 --> 00:48:15,680
telling you that

1267
00:48:20,470 --> 00:48:18,160
like whoops uh we didn't mean to be seen

1268
00:48:23,510 --> 00:48:20,480
you know that type of thing

1269
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:23,520
i think it was just that they were on

1270
00:48:30,390 --> 00:48:26,640
our frequency and

1271
00:48:32,790 --> 00:48:30,400
for whatever reason different people

1272
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:32,800
pick up different things i've had a lot

1273
00:48:36,790 --> 00:48:34,880
of paranormal experiences

1274
00:48:39,270 --> 00:48:36,800
as well and there are a lot of those in

1275
00:48:40,230 --> 00:48:39,280
my book as well of ufo sightings in my

1276
00:48:43,109 --> 00:48:40,240
book

1277
00:48:43,910 --> 00:48:43,119
and i think people need to be more open

1278
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:43,920
to this

1279
00:48:49,349 --> 00:48:47,599
how we see uh especially now with the

1280
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:49,359
younger generations where everybody's on

1281
00:48:53,790 --> 00:48:51,359
the phone with the head down like this

1282
00:48:56,470 --> 00:48:53,800
looking down people need to be the

1283
00:48:58,950 --> 00:48:56,480
electromagnetic frequencies around us

1284
00:48:59,990 --> 00:48:58,960
and with all the equipment that we have

1285
00:49:03,510 --> 00:49:00,000
really really

1286
00:49:06,069 --> 00:49:03,520
do affect us and people need to get out

1287
00:49:08,309 --> 00:49:06,079
into nature away from the towns and

1288
00:49:10,230 --> 00:49:08,319
cities and away from everything else

1289
00:49:12,950 --> 00:49:10,240
and look at the skies and just enjoy

1290
00:49:15,910 --> 00:49:12,960
nature and i'm absolutely certain

1291
00:49:16,710 --> 00:49:15,920
they would see a lot more if they have

1292
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:16,720
the time or

1293
00:49:20,230 --> 00:49:19,599
made the time to look look at the skies

1294
00:49:22,069 --> 00:49:20,240
look at things

1295
00:49:24,069 --> 00:49:22,079
yeah that's how i end every show keep

1296
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:24,079
your eyes to the sky uh we have

1297
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:26,559
a joe calling um on the line from

1298
00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:27,599
michigan

1299
00:49:32,150 --> 00:49:29,440
joe you're live on the air right now

1300
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:32,160
welcome to the show

1301
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:35,520
yeah how are you today martin i wanted

1302
00:49:39,750 --> 00:49:37,040
to ask

1303
00:49:40,470 --> 00:49:39,760
paul about uh if he knows anything about

1304
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:40,480
the marine

1305
00:49:46,870 --> 00:49:43,680
jonathan wagon and the peru

1306
00:49:48,630 --> 00:49:46,880
crash retrieval uh the story he speaks

1307
00:49:52,870 --> 00:49:48,640
of in one of the uh

1308
00:49:55,990 --> 00:49:52,880
greer's serious cirrus uh episodes

1309
00:49:58,870 --> 00:49:56,000
a lot of the things that jonathan wagon

1310
00:50:00,630 --> 00:49:58,880
talks about happening to him when he was

1311
00:50:04,069 --> 00:50:00,640
right on top of the craft

1312
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:04,079
is almost exactly like paul is talking

1313
00:50:06,549 --> 00:50:04,880
about

1314
00:50:08,150 --> 00:50:06,559
and that's got me really wondering

1315
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:08,160
listening to this and i'd like paul to

1316
00:50:11,829 --> 00:50:09,200
comment

1317
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:11,839
if he's familiar with jonathan wagon at

1318
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:12,880
the crew

1319
00:50:23,510 --> 00:50:22,150
that's all i wanted i'm not familiar

1320
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:23,520
with that are you

1321
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,599
i'm not actually but i will be looking

1322
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:27,440
for it now

1323
00:50:30,710 --> 00:50:30,000
yeah but can i just say i believe

1324
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,720
there's been

1325
00:50:35,990 --> 00:50:33,119
lots and lots of trash retrievals that

1326
00:50:39,589 --> 00:50:36,000
we will never find out about

1327
00:50:42,150 --> 00:50:39,599
and they've since 1952

1328
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:42,160
in reality the american government

1329
00:50:44,950 --> 00:50:43,680
really clamped down there enough after

1330
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:44,960
the washington dc

1331
00:50:50,309 --> 00:50:47,920
sightings i mean you have to think

1332
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,319
washington dc in 1952

1333
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,240
a lot of people and a lot of men and a

1334
00:50:57,510 --> 00:50:54,640
lot of very professional capacity

1335
00:50:59,349 --> 00:50:57,520
as observers had just been demobbed and

1336
00:51:01,109 --> 00:50:59,359
there were hundreds of sightings around

1337
00:51:04,870 --> 00:51:01,119
washington dc

1338
00:51:08,069 --> 00:51:04,880
that was july 1952 the official

1339
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:08,079
explanation was a temperature inversion

1340
00:51:11,670 --> 00:51:11,200
right the at the end of the day since

1341
00:51:14,230 --> 00:51:11,680
then

1342
00:51:14,950 --> 00:51:14,240
i believe we've had this aggressive

1343
00:51:17,349 --> 00:51:14,960
covering

1344
00:51:18,630 --> 00:51:17,359
of things like these trash retrievals

1345
00:51:21,109 --> 00:51:18,640
that have been going on

1346
00:51:24,069 --> 00:51:21,119
in all countries all over the world and

1347
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:24,079
we will never find out because

1348
00:51:28,870 --> 00:51:26,079
they're trying to that's why they've got

1349
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:28,880
this attitude now of ridicule

1350
00:51:33,910 --> 00:51:32,240
and putting things down and uh dr irena

1351
00:51:37,270 --> 00:51:33,920
scott she

1352
00:51:41,109 --> 00:51:37,280
released a fabulous book and it's the

1353
00:51:43,670 --> 00:51:41,119
subtitle was 70 years of lies

1354
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:43,680
misinformation that's right yeah and

1355
00:51:48,069 --> 00:51:45,599
they're really really good at it

1356
00:51:49,670 --> 00:51:48,079
they've had 70 years to practice this

1357
00:51:51,270 --> 00:51:49,680
that's right we only have a few

1358
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:51,280
we we only have a few minutes left and

1359
00:51:56,390 --> 00:51:53,520
we have uh one other caller

1360
00:51:58,230 --> 00:51:56,400
uh thanks for that call joe we have bear

1361
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:58,240
calling from michigan

1362
00:52:01,270 --> 00:52:00,079
bear are you there i always wanted to

1363
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:01,280
say that and

1364
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:10,230
well first of all um i missed the first

1365
00:52:13,670 --> 00:52:11,200
part of the show

1366
00:52:14,230 --> 00:52:13,680
so i'm afraid i don't know uh the

1367
00:52:22,790 --> 00:52:14,240
guest's

1368
00:52:28,150 --> 00:52:26,230
oh no you're fine um i really

1369
00:52:29,349 --> 00:52:28,160
am on board with what your guest is

1370
00:52:31,190 --> 00:52:29,359
saying about

1371
00:52:32,470 --> 00:52:31,200
frequencies and vibrations in fact i've

1372
00:52:35,190 --> 00:52:32,480
been talking about this

1373
00:52:35,670 --> 00:52:35,200
for a little while and i had a question

1374
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:35,680
um

1375
00:52:41,990 --> 00:52:40,000
for him so we're ahead we all

1376
00:52:43,510 --> 00:52:42,000
have our uh our own frequencies that we

1377
00:52:48,390 --> 00:52:43,520
inhabit and

1378
00:52:51,190 --> 00:52:48,400
i've got a theory that uh people

1379
00:52:53,030 --> 00:52:51,200
who kind of get into new age stuff uh

1380
00:52:55,670 --> 00:52:53,040
and try to tune their frequencies to the

1381
00:52:56,870 --> 00:52:55,680
to those of uh people around them are

1382
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:56,880
increasing

1383
00:53:01,589 --> 00:53:00,000
uh amplitude unnecessary

1384
00:53:03,670 --> 00:53:01,599
uh necessarily in our spectrum and

1385
00:53:05,589 --> 00:53:03,680
that's causing a lot of uh

1386
00:53:06,790 --> 00:53:05,599
perturbations in our universe and maybe

1387
00:53:09,829 --> 00:53:06,800
causing some

1388
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:09,839
uh some some bad things to happen

1389
00:53:14,230 --> 00:53:11,599
i wanted to know if he's never heard of

1390
00:53:15,990 --> 00:53:14,240
anybody postulating that

1391
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:16,000
just one quick thing we only have like a

1392
00:53:20,790 --> 00:53:17,599
minute and a half here so

1393
00:53:22,309 --> 00:53:20,800
okay well very very briefly i think

1394
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:22,319
the hot the environment you're in

1395
00:53:26,230 --> 00:53:24,240
because you are

1396
00:53:27,670 --> 00:53:26,240
part of the electromagnetic spectrum and

1397
00:53:29,750 --> 00:53:27,680
the energy that you use

1398
00:53:31,990 --> 00:53:29,760
the energy around you affects you all

1399
00:53:32,470 --> 00:53:32,000
the time so if you've got negative

1400
00:53:34,069 --> 00:53:32,480
energy

1401
00:53:35,750 --> 00:53:34,079
and bad things happening around you and

1402
00:53:37,109 --> 00:53:35,760
you're in the wrong place that's what

1403
00:53:39,430 --> 00:53:37,119
you will get

1404
00:53:40,549 --> 00:53:39,440
and so you and your environment that

1405
00:53:43,829 --> 00:53:40,559
you're in

1406
00:53:46,069 --> 00:53:43,839
will to a certain extent always affect

1407
00:53:46,870 --> 00:53:46,079
your energy and your outcomes and your

1408
00:53:50,549 --> 00:53:46,880
thinking

1409
00:53:53,589 --> 00:53:50,559
it's got to do very good

1410
00:53:54,790 --> 00:53:53,599
very interesting so uh let's give your

1411
00:53:57,829 --> 00:53:54,800
name of your book out

1412
00:54:01,270 --> 00:53:57,839
uh one more time and

1413
00:54:03,750 --> 00:54:01,280
people can catch that on amazon right

1414
00:54:05,270 --> 00:54:03,760
yep it's available it's called ufos the

1415
00:54:06,790 --> 00:54:05,280
real story

1416
00:54:08,630 --> 00:54:06,800
and it's available on amazon as a

1417
00:54:11,990 --> 00:54:08,640
hardback paperback

1418
00:54:15,190 --> 00:54:12,000
ebook or audible and it's

1419
00:54:17,510 --> 00:54:15,200
different excellent

1420
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:17,520
well thanks so much and i really

1421
00:54:21,750 --> 00:54:19,119
appreciate it i think you have a very

1422
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:21,760
interesting uh very interesting theories

1423
00:54:24,150 --> 00:54:22,240
and

1424
00:54:25,910 --> 00:54:24,160
i'm glad i like to hear i like to hear

1425
00:54:27,750 --> 00:54:25,920
new things so that was really good

1426
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:27,760
thank you very much and good luck with

1427
00:54:31,589 --> 00:54:29,200
your book take care

1428
00:54:32,230 --> 00:54:31,599
thank you martin you take care too all

1429
00:54:35,349 --> 00:54:32,240
right

1430
00:54:37,510 --> 00:54:35,359
watching live

1431
00:54:39,270 --> 00:54:37,520
you want to jump over to the next stream

1432
00:54:42,069 --> 00:54:39,280
and that's on youtube

1433
00:54:42,710 --> 00:54:42,079
you can see that over it's with uh ross

1434
00:54:45,190 --> 00:54:42,720
coldheart

1435
00:54:45,750 --> 00:54:45,200
and uh it's going to be a really good

1436
00:54:47,349 --> 00:54:45,760
show

1437
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:47,359
you've got to check this one out this

1438
00:54:51,510 --> 00:54:48,960
guy's amazing and

1439
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:51,520
also you can see that also on facebook

1440
00:54:55,349 --> 00:54:52,880
if you're watching over there

1441
00:54:57,510 --> 00:54:55,359
all right we'll be uh we'll see oh we'll

1442
00:54:59,510 --> 00:54:57,520
see you over there in the next stream

1443
00:55:01,270 --> 00:54:59,520
and for those of you who are going away

1444
00:55:01,910 --> 00:55:01,280
keep your eyes to this guy just had to